I have some questions about divorce and child custody law in Vancouver, BC, Canada. My questions are I am the sole bread

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Customer: I have some questions about divorce and child custody law in Vancouver, BC, Canada. My questions areI am the sole bread winner in the family. My wife only works 4 hours a week. We have been married for 7 years, together for roughly 10 years. We have a 9 year old daughter together. I would like to have equal custody of my daughter. How much should I expect to have to pay in alimony and child support? And for how long?Would moving out without a separation or parenting agreement in place jeopardize my future custody?Can my wife just take my kid and move out to another part of BC? Can she take my child out of province?If she does this with no notice, what can I do? Should I call the police?
JA: What steps have you taken? Have you filed any papers in Canadian family court?
Customer: No steps, only online research up until now. This is my first time asking a lawyer for advice
JA: Have you talked to a lawyer about this yet?
Customer: no
JA: Anything else you want the Lawyer to know before I connect you?
Customer: My wife is a high conflict individual who regularly emotionally abuses me.
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Debra, Expert

Hello! My name is Debra (formerly known as Legal Ease). Thank you for your question. I'm reviewing it now, and will post back again shortly.

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Debra, Expert

I'm sorry to hear of your difficulty tuition.

Has your spouse only been working for four hours a week for all these years?

Customer
She has only been working 4 hours for probably the last 4 years. Previous to that she worked about 8 hours a week. So no big difference. She has not held a full-time job since we have been married.
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Debra, Expert

Here is an online support calculator that you can use. The free version is fine. Do not bother to pay for the higher level one because it is simply not needed:

https://www.mysupportcalculator.ca/

You will likely have to pay based on the mid range.

At the same time, you can try and take the position that there is no reason at all why your spouse cannot now work for more hours a week. Your daughter is in school full time (well aside from when there is a global pandemic) and she has a duty to become self-sustaining.

Please rate this post now and then start a new post for your other question about moving a child out of the province. I cannot answer that question on this post but I can happily answer it on a new post. You will not be charged because you have a subscription.

When you start a new post you can say "this is only for the Debra" and I'll be the one to answer.

Does that help?

Please feel free to post back with any follow-up questions you may have. If you don't have any then I hope I have earned a 5 star rating but if you don't feel that I have please don't hesitate to reply back and let me know what more I can do to assist you. Finally, please know that even after you rate me I will be here for you and you can ask follow-up questions if you think of them later on at no further charge of course.

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Debra, Expert

I believe you requested me on the other post but another lawyer stepped in.

I want you to know that I strongly disagree with his answer. It is just not correct.

It is not the least bit prudent to move out before an order or agreement is in place. It's actual very risky to do it. No family lawyer would say you should.

Customer
Hi Debra, thanks for letting me know. The online research I've done also said it was not a good idea so I was surprised to hear their feedback. Would you mind giving me some more details on why it is a bad idea? My wife is a high conflict individual and I doubt I will be able to get her to sign anything. However, I'm dealing with ongoing mental abuse and need to leave. If I do leave with no agreement in place, what am I looking at when it comes to custody?
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Debra, Expert

When there is no order or agreement dealing with custody the law is that the parent with whom the children live is deemed to have de facto custody.

As well, you will be said to have a banded the children.

Judges do not like to alter the status quo. Even without COVID it could be many, many months if not longer for you to get into court for a hearing. With COVID it will be even longer. By the time you get into court the mother will have established a strong status quo and you will have a very, very difficult time overturning it and quite possibly will not be able to do so.

Customer
I see you mentioned order or agreement there. I am familiar with separation agreements or custody agreements. However, what is an order? If I don't feel I would be able to come to an agreement with my wife, is an order a way of protecting my custody rights?
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Debra, Expert

An order is when you go to court and you have a court decide about custody and access. What I am essentially saying is if you move out you won't do well in court. You will do very poorly if you want joint custody.

Customer
If my wife is unwilling to sign a separation agreement then what are my options? Is the only other option to leave without the agreement and risk dealing with the court?
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Debra, Expert

Oh. It would be to retain a lawyer as soon as possible and get into court for an interim order for joint custody of the children and not to move out until you get it.

Customer
Ok thanks, ***** *****'t realize I had that option. Do you know in basic terms how much something like that would cost to do? Ballpark is totally fine. Just wondering if I'm dealing with $1,000 or $10,000+ for something like that
Customer
Also, is a separation agreement different from a parenting agreement?
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Debra, Expert

A parenting agreement only deals with custody and access and a separation agreement would deal with the division of assets and support as well.

The ballpark figure is likely going to be more towards the $10,000 if there is a full hearing in court.

Customer
Is there a major negative impact to division of assets or support if I don't have the separation agreement in place before I move out?I'm thinking maybe I can get a parenting agreement in place then figure out the assets/support later. As long as there is no major negative impact
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Debra, Expert

No. This is only a concern about custody and access.

Customer
Ok great, so sounds like I should be 100% focused on a parenting agreement and then I can safely move out of our home? Is it generally a good idea to have a lawyer write up a parenting agreement?
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Debra, Expert

Yes and yes.

Customer
Thank you, ***** ***** have a ballpark price for a parenting agreement? Do the parents usually draft up a rough plan then just get the lawyer to make it an official doc?
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Debra, Expert

No lawyers don't like that really.

You can try and decide together what you but the lawyer will draft it all.

It will likely be a few thousand dollars.

Customer
In this scenario would both parties use the same lawyer? Or would one party initiate the doc being created, then the other party has their own lawyer review it?
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Debra, Expert

No you cannot use the same lawyer. You each need independent legal advice.

Customer
Ok, so could I then get one drafted up on my own then present it to her in hopes she would agree to it? Likely she won't but is that the best first step generally?In summary:
- I need to get a lawyer.
- I need to ask the lawyer to write a parenting agreement up
- Present the agreement to my wife
- She can then either sign or have her lawyer look it over, maybe some negotiating back and forth
- If she won't sign under any circumstances, I need to get a court order for custody. Then I am safe to move out.Does that sound accurate?
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Debra, Expert

I am sorry for the delay. I was interrupted by mother and several of my kids!

Yes except your lawyer will send her the agreement or at least a letter and ask her to get her own lawyer. It protects you for her to have independent legal advice.

I am so glad I caught the other expert's advice to you!

Customer
Oh ok, so then we would each individually talk to our lawyers, the lawyers negotiate on our behalf and hopefully come to an agreement?And that would be a few thousands dollars for each lawyer? Or is that total for everyone?Is it unheard of for one party to pay for both lawyers? I think my wife may try to say he can't afford it. She will not want me to leave due to financial reasons, so she could use that to block the whole thingand thanks for all your help! So glad you also caught that advice
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Debra, Expert

You can pay for both lawyers. You may have to in fact.

There is no way to know about the costs because there is no way just yet to see how long working this out will take.

Customer
Would I have to because I am the primary earner? Just curious on that frontOk on the costWhat if she doesn't get a lawyer? Am I stuck? Then I have to go the court order route?
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Debra, Expert

No you aren't stuck if she doesn't get a lawyer.

You are stuck if you cannot settle as then you have to go to court.

You don't have to pay for her lawyer at this point. You may be ordered to by a court if it comes down to court.

Customer
if she doesn't get a lawyer, I would have to go the court order route? Is that correct?
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Debra, Expert

Well, what will happen is you won't pay her support, you won't pay the bills etc and she will have to get a lawyer.

She won't be able to do nothing.

I know that is harsh but that is how it would ultimately go.

Customer
But we would still be living together at that point if I understand correctly? I can;t move out until she signs that document? or comes to a parenting agreement?
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Debra, Expert

You can live separate and apart in the home and still stop paying for most things.

The lawyer's letter can set out that she can move out leaving the kids or you will move out leaving the kids after a parenting agreement is reached and if not you will live separate and apart in the home, will pay 1/2 of the bills etc until all issues relating to support are worked out or something like that.

Customer
OK good to know. Living together but separate is not really an option for me. One, she has personality disorders and would make my life a living hell. Two, our place is only about 900 sq ft, with a kid. So we are already on top of each other. What my ideal situation would be would be to shorten the time from telling her I want to leave and then actually leaving as much as possible. With that in mind, is the best thing to go to the lawyer first, get a parent agreement drafted up, then present her with that... then I will be in limbo while she decides whether to sign it or get her own lawyer and that whole process. Best case, we come to an agreement and then I can move out. That sound about right?
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Debra, Expert

Yes it does.

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